Biodynamics Now Podcast! Episode 009 Sandor Katz – Master Fermenter


Sandor Katz is a self-described fermentation fetishist. His fermentation explorations developed out of overlapping interests in cooking, nutrition and gardening. He is also an herbalist and an activist and a writer and a builder and a craftsperson and a bicyclist and many other things: a generalist. He is a resident steward of Short Mountain Sanctuary, a queer intentional community deep in the wooded hills of Tennessee. Katz is a native of New York City, a graduate of Brown University, and a former urban planner and policy analyst. He has been living with AIDS for more than a decade and considers fermented foods an important part of his healing. (from Sandor's official biography, circa 2003)

You can order the incredible Art of Fermentation, Sandor’s newest title, at the bottom of this page.

“Sandor Katz has already awakened more people to the diversity and deliciousness of fermented foods than any other single person has over the last century. Once you look at the world through the fresh eyes of such a genius, there is no going back to the tasteless world you had previously occupied. The Art of Fermentation is a wonder—so rich in its knowledge and so practical in its application. This book will be a classic for the next millennium.” —Gary Paul Nabhan, author of Renewing America’s Food Traditions and Desert Terroir

I first saw the beautiful cover of Wild Fermentation at the Sunnewald Health Food Store in York, PA back in 2003 on a visit to hoop house guru Steve Moore (the Real Steve Moore). A stronghold of Weston A Price philosophy, the staff and customers of Sunnewald were gaga over the new book. I picked up a copy. It blew my mind. It was truly revolutionary. A carefully detailed  return to our own culinary history. An important stepping stone to true traditional nutrition.

In August of 2004 I asked Sandor to give a fermentation workshop in Shepherdstown, which, as far as I know, was one of he first he did outside of his own community. Sandor arrived just before the workshop in a small pickup that was just crammed with jugs, bottles and crocks, all of which would prove to be filled with amazingly good tasting fermented foods.  I think Sandor wondered what he had gotten himself into when we first met before the workshop since I’m one of those really straight looking farmers, you know, like William S. Burroughs, but within minutes we realized we had a common friend in the great Tennessee  barefoot biodynamic farmer, Jeff Poppen. Once we knew that, there was not doubt that we were on the same page: dedicated to saving the Earth and the people living on it.

I was able to help get Sandor a speaking engagement at the ACRES USA conference that year. I don’t think that anyone on the ACRES staff  had actually read Sandors biography before the conference actually began. There was a little resentment that I had apparently crashed this mid-western eco-ag conference by introducing a truly counter culture figure to the podium. No worries. The WAPF members at ACRES already knew Sandor by his work and those who didn’t were completely knocked out by how easy and important  to do the art of fermentation is when presented by him.

Once you’ve listened to or read Sandor Katz on fermentation, there’s never again a reason to be afraid of killing yourself with home fermentation. From that point on, It’s All Good!

The amazing thing about Sandor is his openess and his generosity. He’s not a salesman, he’s activist. When he gives you the gift of his wisdom, it’s not to get something back from you, it’s in the hope that you will take what he’s shares and share it with 10 more people. Keep the food revolution moving.

As Sally Fallon said in her review of Wild Fermentation in the WAPF journal, Wild Fermentation is more than   a collection of interesting recipes. It's an awknowledgement of the "insidious processes of globalization, commodification and cultural homogenization."

Sandor has said, "We cannot resist the homogenization of culture by overpowering it. Yet we must not resign ourselves to it. . . . . Resistance takes place on many planes. Occasionally it can be dramatic and public, but most of the decisions we are faced with are mundane and private. What to eat is a choice that we make several times a day, if we are lucky. The cumulative choices we make about food have profound implications."

Weston A Price Foundation's formula for defeating the forces of industrialization in agriculture and food production is to drink raw milk.  Another way, according to WAPF founder, Sally Fallon,  "Is to eat fermented foods! Authentic fermented condiments and beverages  not only return beneficial microorganisms to your digestive tract, they will also help return our wealth to small farms and local communities. Instead of "trickle down," how about "bubble up," where real wealth produced by farmers and artisans leavens the whole mass.

"Fermented foods are good for our interior ecology and they can help restore our exterior ecology as well, by increasing the demand for organic foods (only nutrient-dense and pesticide-free foods ferment successfully) and weakening the grip of the food processing industry.

When Edward eats the witch's food in the children's classic The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe, he becomes her slave. So too, when we eat processed foods, we become slaves to the commodity economy. But foods made by magicians working with the mysterious ferments of the microscopic world-these foods make us healthy and free. Wild Fermentation will serve as a training manual for thousands of culinary Harry Potters, working their magic in the tranquil atmosphere of sacred kitchens."

Such is the powerful and yet benign nature of Sandor Katz’ food revolution.

from Chelsea Green:

Sandor Ellix Katz is a self-taught fermentation experimentalist. He wrote
Wild Fermentation: The Flavor, Nutrition, and Craft of Live-Culture Foods—
which Newsweek called “the fermenting bible”—in order to share the
fermentation wisdom he had learned, and demystify home fermentation.
Since the book’s publication in 2003, Katz has taught hundreds of
fermentation workshops across North America and beyond, taking on a role
he describes as a “fermentation revivalist.” Now, in The Art of Fermentation,
with a decade more experience behind him, the unique opportunity to hear
countless stories about fermentation practices, and answering thousands of
troubleshooting questions, he’s sharing a more in-depth exploration of the

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Sandor Katz’ informative personal website is here
Tons of free information on Sandor and fermentation at the Chelsea Green site,here

The Art of Fermentation

An In-Depth Exploration of Essential Concepts and Processes From Around the World

By Sandor Ellix Katz
Foreword by Michael Pollan
Pub Date: June 12, 2012
With practical information on fermenting vegetables,fruits, grains, milk, beans, meats, and more…
Fermentation revivalist Sandor Katz has inspired countless thousands to rediscover the ancient art of fermentation, and with The Art of Fermentation he offers the most comprehensive and definitive guide to do-it-yourself home fermentation ever
Katz presents the history, concepts, and processes behind
fermentation in ways simple enough to guide a reader through
their first experience making sauerkraut or yogurt, yet in-depth
enough to provide greater understanding and insight for
experienced fermentos.
Readers will find detailed information on fermenting vegetables;
sugars into alcohol (meads, wines, and ciders); sour tonic
beverages; milk; grains and starchy tubers; beers (and other
grain-based alcoholic beverages); beans; seeds; fish; meat;
and eggs, as well as growing mold cultures, and using fermentation in agriculture, art, and energy production, and commerce.
The first-ever guide of its kind, Katz has written what will undoubtedly become a foundational book in food literature.

Read praise for this book
“The Art of Fermentation is much more than a cookbook…Sure, it tells you how to
do it, but much more important, it tells you what it means, and why an act as
quotidian and practical as making your own sauerkraut represents nothing less
than a way of engaging with the world. Or rather, with several different worlds, each
nested inside the other: the invisible world of fungi and bacteria; the community in
which you live; and the industrial food system that is undermining the health of our
bodies and the land. This might seem like a large claim for a crock of sauerkraut,
but Sandor Katz’s signal achievement in this book is to convince you of its truth.
To ferment your own food is to lodge an eloquent protest—of the senses—against
the homogenization of flavors and food experiences now rolling like a great,
undifferentiated lawn across the globe. It is also a declaration of independence
from an economy that would much prefer we were all passive consumers of its
commodities, rather than creators of unique products expressive of ourselves and
the places where we live.”
—Michael Pollan, from the Foreword

This article appeared in issue 6 ("The Apocalypse Issue") of Lucky Peach, an awesome food magazine, you can subscribe here:


10 Replies to “Biodynamics Now Podcast! Episode 009 Sandor Katz – Master Fermenter”

  1. I disagree with the goitergenic nature of brassica family veggies, fermented or not. I have 20+ years clinical experience in nutritional healing and Asian med theory. I am also very researched on thyroid problems and hypothyrodic myself. The entire brassica thyroid connection came from a study on rabbits and has very questionable scientific merit. Here is the info and references

  2. Allan, Thanks for educating all of us. All the broadcasts are great but this is my favorite. I loved the epilogue and just ordered all three of Sandor Katz’s books!

    1. Thanks so much, Mary. Thanks for listening to Sandor and thanks for supporting his work and the BDNow! podcast. Did you buy any of his children’s books?

  3. I would like to order Sandor Katz’ books via your website but am not finding the links. Could you please direct me.

    Thank You,
    Antonio Marxuach

    1. Antonio – I looks like the Amazon gadget it broken. I’ll try to get it fixed in the next few days. Thanks for your willingness to support our efforts here by buying our guests books through our site!

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